EOS M5 - first impressions

dlee13

EOS 80D
May 13, 2014
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Act444 said:
Yes, but what about the complaint over shutter lag, specifically with flash in low light? Of course, if you don't do that kind of work (or shooting), then it's a non-factor, but for those that even occasionally find themselves in such a situation, that's something bound to be noticed...

My M10 has that lag too. But now that I think about it, I've never actually used it in a real-world ultra-low-light situation where I had to use flash (probably due to my being aware of this limitation). I go with the bulkier, heavier option (DSLR).

I would have hoped that the M5, being larger and more expensive than the M10, would be better, but I guess not.
I haven't experienced any shutter lag yet, but I also haven't shot in low light with flash. Is this using the on camera flash or with off camera? Do you know if this issue happens with both MF and AF? Although I love the IQ and AF on the M5, if I do need to do any flash work in low light I would still be using my 6D.

The main lag that annoys me is reviewing images. It's always several seconds for the camera to load and preview the images compared to my 6D. This is the same on my M3 and annoying, but definitely not a dealbreaker.

I did hate the saturation of the EVF at first but I've become used to it now.

slclick said:
dlee13 said:
slclick said:
I'm seeing one of two things:

A. Nothing but subpar reviews in the first few days/weeks, then a swelling of positive even glowing reviews start to bubble forth.

B. There are an even number of good and bad reviews (like for anything) and YMMV.

I tend to lean towards A. Experience and patience (like for anything) lends more to the truth than knee jerk reactions.
I would go with A for sure. On paper the M5 may not seem that great but once you use it, it's hard not to fall in love with it. I've had mine for a week and I struggle to find anything I don't like about the body itself.
Since I cannot find one in the area where I live, can you tell me if it's anything like the GX5 for large hands (meaning it's is not a good idea) or does the ergonomics lend for larger hands to still feel comfortable. fwiw, I use a 5D3 with an L plate. It feels right.
Yeah it's very similar in size to the GX5 and feels good in the hand. I have fairly large hands but don't feel like it's too small for me. It is certainly light though, I carry it everywhere now with the 22mm f2 attached.
 

dlee13

EOS 80D
May 13, 2014
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Australia
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For anyone interested, I've posted a brief review of my first week with the M5. I got about 15 images I've taken and it's not a technical reviews, more from a casual shooters POV.

http://www.photosbydlee.com/first-week-canon-eos-m5/#more-2057
 

Khufu

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Re: M5: 2-3 seconds shutter delay in dark scenes (with manual flash and focus)

AlanF said:
Khufu said:
This is what you are missing. The volume of the 80D, according to the dimensions listed, is 1.84x greater than that of the M5, which is what is usually described as 84% larger. So, when someone says that x is 84% larger than y, it means that x is 1.84 times greater than y, or 1.84 ys will fit into the volume of 1 x.

Unfortunately, percentages are very frequently used in a misleading way to overstate differences.
Trying not to be an arse here but this is kinda' one of my pet hates (along with Americans not realising "could care less" means the absolute opposite of what they're trying to communicate) ...and you do seem quite into technicalities yourself sooo:

84% greater = 1.84x "the size of"
1.84x "greater than" = 184% greater = 2.84x "the size of"

2 x "greater" = 3 x "the size of"


Sorry ;)

I've seen similar things on educational websites, miscommunicating the size of astrological bodies and units... Bad internets! Bad physicists!
Technically, you are correct. But, overwhelmingly, as much as it grates, "times greater" is used to mean the same as "times as great". Scanlon http://www.jpscanlan.com/vignettes/timeshigherissues.html has analysed the frequency of the "incorrect" usage of "times greater" relative to the "correct" "times as great". Even in scientific journals, the "incorrect" usage predominates. For example, pointedly, in that esteemed journal The Lancet, the "incorrect" usage is 35 times more frequent. So, I am afraid, arsedom is thrust under you in the popular parlance stakes and the illiterates are in the ascendancy.
That was an interesting read (what I've read of it), but it's not the same argument, as became disappointingly apparent as I read on up to and beyond the table of statistics; these figures are based solely on usage of the terms and not correct or incorrect usage of each term! *sigh*

The author has chosen, based on the advice of various guidance articles, to refer to those instances using "as great as" et al as "correct" and branding "greater than" et al as "incorrect", regardless of whether the terms are used correctly or incorrectly in context... I can honestly say that I would personally use the latter terms at literal face value, correctly, which would then render it as a statistic in the "incorrect" camp. Yes, I would say travelling 300 miles is 2 x further than 100 miles, because it is, but because I didn't say "three times as far" it's "incorrect" terminology, which is what has been considered here, NOT incorrect usage ;)

THERE IS HOPE!! :D

It's a shame though, this article started so well, then produced really stupid, confusing data set using specific terminology (ie. "incorrect") itself which clearly shows it's an agenda-driven piece where the irony is so sticky and disgusting and, eugh...

I'm reeeally interested in the data that this article almost suggested it was going to present though ;)
 

Ed V

EOS T7i
Just returned my EOS M5 w/ the 15-45 kit lens for exchange. The camera seemed fine but the lens was the softest lens I have ever encountered. I know it is a kit lens and I don't expect it to be as sharp as my L glass but this glass was way too soft for me. Hopefully the new kit will be better and the 22 2.0 whenever it arrives will be even sharper.

Ironically I purchased two M5 kits with one for my wife and one for me. I let her pick her camera first. She got the good one and me... well I lost.

Anyway it is on it's way back to B&H. First thing I ever returned to them.

Ed
 

bholliman

EOS 6D MK II
Dec 6, 2012
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After 2 months of regular use, I'm still very impressed with this little camera. Over the weekend, I tried it for birds with my 300 f/2.8 II lens, both in flight and perched birds from a blind. I didn't have a much success with BIF (I didn't really expect to), but it did great for perched birds.

Male Downy Woodpecker

2017_02_05_124141-1501 by Bryan Holliman
on Flickr
 

dslrdummy

EOS RP
Aug 28, 2012
364
131
Re: EOS M5

bholliman said:
After 2 months of regular use, I'm still very impressed with this little camera. Over the weekend, I tried it for birds with my 300 f/2.8 II lens, both in flight and perched birds from a blind. I didn't have a much success with BIF (I didn't really expect to), but it did great for perched birds.

Male Downy Woodpecker

2017_02_05_124141-1501 by Bryan Holliman
on Flickr
Great to hear. I have the 300 and was thinking of the M5 as a relatively inexpensive and light weight back up on my next trip (Zambia and Madagascar). The 24MP with crop is attractive given my main body is the 1DXii.
 

digigal

Traveling the world one step at a time.
Aug 26, 2014
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"Great to hear. I have the 300 and was thinking of the M5 as a relatively inexpensive and light weight back up on my next trip (Zambia and Madagascar). The 24MP with crop is attractive given my main body is the 1DXii."

I've only got the M3, not the M5, but I'd sure hate to rely on that focus system to capture the dancing Sifakas--no problem with the 1DXII, of course.

Catherine
 

slclick

135L
Dec 17, 2013
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For me the decision to not buy came down to one feature, the screen. I swear if it had a true flippy, I'd snatch it up. Esp with a great deal from our friend Gordon. So, I wait.
 

bainsybike

EOS 80D
Jun 13, 2011
171
1
Re: M5: 2-3 seconds shutter delay in dark scenes (with manual flash and focus)

Khufu said:
This is what you are missing. The volume of the 80D, according to the dimensions listed, is 1.84x greater than that of the M5, which is what is usually described as 84% larger. So, when someone says that x is 84% larger than y, it means that x is 1.84 times greater than y, or 1.84 ys will fit into the volume of 1 x.

Unfortunately, percentages are very frequently used in a misleading way to overstate differences.
Trying not to be an arse here but this is kinda' one of my pet hates (along with Americans not realising "could care less" means the absolute opposite of what they're trying to communicate) ...and you do seem quite into technicalities yourself sooo:

84% greater = 1.84x "the size of"
1.84x "greater than" = 184% greater = 2.84x "the size of"

2 x "greater" = 3 x "the size of"


Sorry ;)

I've seen similar things on educational websites, miscommunicating the size of astrological bodies and units... Bad internets! Bad physicists!
In the same spirit as your contribution, Khufu, I think you mean "astronomical". "Astrological" is to do with the interpretation of the supposed influence of heavenly bodies on human affairs. ;)
 

Crosswind

The bigger your Canon, the smaller your Cannon :)
Feb 2, 2015
195
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Austria
M5 info screen to avoid heating up the sensor?

Might be a dumb question... but look at the picture below... is the sensor still recording light in the background, while being in that particular INFO-display, or does the sensor stop collecting information (and therefore stop heating up) as long as I am inside this INFO screen??

I'm not sure, because y'know mirrorless cameras are always in LiveView, but when shooting some photos of the night sky, I want to a.) save some energy when possible by shutting down the image sensor (while still being able to see the display and all the settings about f-stop, exp. time and ISO) and b.) stop the sensor from constantly heating up, generating more noise.
 

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AvTvM

EOS 5D MK IV
Nov 4, 2011
3,165
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Re: M5 info screen to avoid heating up the sensor?

Crosswind said:
Might be a dumb question... but look at the picture below... is the sensor still recording light in the background, while being in that particular INFO-display, or does the sensor stop collecting information (and therefore stop heating up) as long as I am inside this INFO screen??
i don't know for sure, but would guess the sensor is ON whenever the camera is ON.
 

Crosswind

The bigger your Canon, the smaller your Cannon :)
Feb 2, 2015
195
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Austria
Re: M5 info screen to avoid heating up the sensor?

AvTvM said:
i don't know for sure, but would guess the sensor is ON whenever the camera is ON.
It would be so easy to fix this with a firmware upgrade, if you are right. It is completely unnecessary to have the sensor working and always heating up, while being in the menu or in that INFO screen.

That's also true for the image stabilizer of some lenses... they won't stop working... even when I am in the menu or reviewing some images ??? If you do not have a manual IS OFF/ON switch (like with the 24IS), you'd have to go into the menu everytime you don't need it to shut it down.
 

jolyonralph

EOS R Mark II
Aug 25, 2015
1,148
407
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Just got my M5 and first impressions:

a) Ergonomics are slightly better than M3 (ok, significantly better) with a real on/off switch, but the menu button is still dangerously easy to trigger accidentally (although perhaps it's not quite as sensitive as on the M3)

b) start up time seems slow. In fact, just testing it side by side with the M3, the M5 is slightly *slower* than the M3 in startup, and the M5 is about twice as slow as the Sony A6000 in startup time. With mirrorless cameras when you have to keep the camera off most of the time to conserve battery slow startup = missed shots.

c) focus seems to be pretty good, and I've only misadjusted the focus point a few times with my nose hitting the touch screen so far :) But in general touch/drag focus is a very good thing.

d) I actually got the Canon App for the iPhone and the M5 to successfully pair on my iPhone 6S Plus, a feat that I never managed to get working right with the M3 (nor, for that matter did I ever get the Sony software to pair properly with my A7RII) This is a big win.

e) Flash is identical to the weedy pop-up unit in the M3 except oriented in a more traditional way. I actually liked the off-center flash on the M3 in those rare times I had to use it.

Hopefully a future firmware update can address b)
 

jolyonralph

EOS R Mark II
Aug 25, 2015
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407
London, UK
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Also, to add to the ergonomic woes of the M5, the record video button is in a horrible place. It's impossible to hodl the camera single-handed and turn video recording on.

With the Sonly A6000, it's actually possible to hand-hold it and still access ALL of the buttons - partly because it's much lighter than the M5, and partly because it's just that little bit wider, giving a better hand grip which leads to much better control in a single hand.

I think that Canon have sacrificed too much in ergonomics to try to reduce the width of the camera.

I do hope someone at Canon actually reads these threads.
 

dak723

EOS 6D MK II
Oct 26, 2013
1,141
435
jolyonralph said:
Also, to add to the ergonomic woes of the M5, the record video button is in a horrible place. It's impossible to hodl the camera single-handed and turn video recording on.
If I'm not mistaken, there are about 7 different buttons you can customize to choose to record video. The ability to customize these buttons will hopefully improve the ergonomics for you.
 

Khufu

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jolyonralph said:
Just got my M5 and first impressions:

a) Ergonomics are slightly better than M3 (ok, significantly better) with a real on/off switch, but the menu button is still dangerously easy to trigger accidentally (although perhaps it's not quite as sensitive as on the M3)

b) start up time seems slow. In fact, just testing it side by side with the M3, the M5 is slightly *slower* than the M3 in startup, and the M5 is about twice as slow as the Sony A6000 in startup time. With mirrorless cameras when you have to keep the camera off most of the time to conserve battery slow startup = missed shots.

c) focus seems to be pretty good, and I've only misadjusted the focus point a few times with my nose hitting the touch screen so far :) But in general touch/drag focus is a very good thing.

d) I actually got the Canon App for the iPhone and the M5 to successfully pair on my iPhone 6S Plus, a feat that I never managed to get working right with the M3 (nor, for that matter did I ever get the Sony software to pair properly with my A7RII) This is a big win.

e) Flash is identical to the weedy pop-up unit in the M3 except oriented in a more traditional way. I actually liked the off-center flash on the M3 in those rare times I had to use it.

Hopefully a future firmware update can address b)
This has only just occurred to me:
Has the M3 to M5 transition lost you the bounce flash?

Removal of bounce flash AND 3x video crop seems like a horrific downgrade to me :O !!!

I'm still on the M2, which is the tiniest M (win!) but I may grab an M3 before long for the better sensor, video crop with EVF aaand bounce flash; is horrific that the M5 does away with aaall the useful features for me :/
 

1kind

EOS T7i
Nov 1, 2012
97
0
dak723 said:
jolyonralph said:
Also, to add to the ergonomic woes of the M5, the record video button is in a horrible place. It's impossible to hodl the camera single-handed and turn video recording on.
If I'm not mistaken, there are about 7 different buttons you can customize to choose to record video. The ability to customize these buttons will hopefully improve the ergonomics for you.
I changed the record button to the top M-FN button. This way, it is easier to reach